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swoll
2016-12-06, 09:04 PM
Rojava is an autonomous region in the Middle East fighting for democracy amidst surrounding dictatorships and ISIS. It’s a unique social and political experiment: A stateless democracy consisting of bottom up, self-governing structures. The politics and economy are inspired by socialist Murray Bookchin’s communalism philosophy and based on workers’ control and community councils. It has been put in practice since 2004.

-Bottom up direct-democracy
-Price controls are managed by democratic committees
-Economic model based on the cooperative, instead of private ownership of business
-There are no taxes
-Secular
-Multicultural
-Everybody is militarily trained
-You can own and kind of weapon

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If you would like to get in touch with Kurdish, activist, or support groups in your area: http://wiki.rojavaplan.com/index.php?title=Confederation

If you want to be a real revolutionary you can join the YPG (Peoples' Protection Units) and receive military, language, and ideological training in Rojava https://ypginternational.blackblogs.org/

LordVader66
2016-12-06, 11:05 PM
Bro thanks for the info. Never heard of Rojave. So far seems really interesting, will keep reading.

swoll
2016-12-07, 12:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj0mUN2B2C4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlLNg3phsmI

ZUZZBRAH
2016-12-07, 12:46 AM
Good luck

They'll need it

Or a modern airforce

Notorious Street Fighter
2016-12-07, 12:48 AM
Good luck

They'll need it

Or a modern airforce

These little chits did pretty good without one.

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/42/142842-004-361B0655.jpg

ZUZZBRAH
2016-12-07, 12:52 AM
These little chits did pretty good without one.

https://media1.britannica.com/eb-media/42/142842-004-361B0655.jpg

Different scenario boyo

And no 3 million of them died, they did crap

swoll
2016-12-07, 01:07 AM
28 year old former U.S. Army soldier Jordan Matson is one of the many Westerners serving the YPG to fight against ISIS

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/04/25521FEA00000578-2939086-image-a-18_1423042095268.jpg

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QuadFag
2016-12-07, 11:13 AM
Neat.

aryanbrah
2016-12-07, 11:16 AM
Yeah watched some shit on the YPG etc.
Think a lot of them are vets that just wanna kill folk again hahahahahaha.

leftzing
2017-01-21, 05:08 PM
It all goes back to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_%C3%96calan

swoll
2017-01-27, 08:47 PM
It all goes back to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_%C3%96calan

Yep Ocalan was a Marxist-Leninist until he read Bookchin then promoted democratic confederalism which led to Rojava

swoll
2017-01-27, 08:58 PM
https://twitter.com/PissPigGranddad/status/822541924749942787 is a a cool twitter account of a westerner who decided to join the YPG

leftzing
2017-02-05, 12:11 PM
I actually used to write for a pretty serious blog about the Syrian civil war (http://www.conflict-news.com/)... I could talk all day about this stuff. The YPG is one of the better factions present there, however, they are not angels by any means. The PKK has conducted terrorist attacks against civilians, mainly by the TAK.

Anyways, I would love to talk about it, but this board is not the place. I honestly don't have a problem with some of the Islamist groups there. Obviously not Nusra and IS, but some of the brotherhood affiliated groups showed promise for quiet some time. When the opposition first formed it was pretty cool to see (the Kurds and the Opposition cooperated for a long time). Syria had a tradition of tolerance going back thousands of years, but that's gone now.

Obama should have launched those cruise missiles in 2013 and provided better funding for both the Kurds and the Democratic and Moderate Islamist groups early on in the revolution. Plus he should have provided safe zones to allow the kurds and sunni's to setup alternative government structures. The opposition was able to do so pretty successfully for several years. I bet that is one of his biggest regrets.

Honestly, if Bush wouldn't have invaded Iraq then I bet the American appetite would have allowed some limited intervention early on (right when the revolution started) and we very well could have had an inclusive democracy in the Middle East. It was Assad/Iran/Hezbollah who initially started the sectarian shit to drive in shia recruits and then radical sunni's levitated towards Syria. I remember watching radical jihadists slowly infiltrating into Syria starting in 2013.

Oh well, it looks like we are going to war with Iran in a few weeks anyways so all this shit is going to be moot.

swoll
2017-02-10, 06:41 PM
https://twitter.com/PissPigGranddad/status/822541924749942787 is a a cool twitter account of a westerner who decided to join the YPG

Dude made the cover story in Rolling Stone it piss

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NotHelping
2017-02-11, 10:49 AM
Socialism instead of the caliphate... think I would choose the caliphate, sorta serious

Omega
2017-02-11, 11:04 AM
The Kurds are pretty racist against Arabs, and they also would have been overrun without US weapons and air support.

The ironic thing is they essentially had a semi autonomous kurdistan during the days of caliphate, basically the caliphate is a system similar to the united states in which various wilayaat (states) are governed by their local populace and are really only bothered by the "federal" body in times of war (for levies) and for marginal land taxes (kharaj). It's even more interesting on an interfaith level because other religious communities could even set up their own non-shariah courts to deal with internal affairs.

NotHelping
2017-02-11, 11:07 AM
The Kurds are pretty racist against Arabs, and they also would have been overrun without US weapons and air support.

The ironic thing is they essentially had a semi autonomous kurdistan during the days of caliphate, basically the caliphate is a system similar to the united states in which various wilayaat (states) are governed by their local populace and are really only bothered by the "federal" body in times of war (for levies) and for marginal land taxes (kharaj). It's even more interesting on an interfaith level because other religious communities could even set up their own non-shariah courts to deal with internal affairs.

I hear a lot of people saying good things about the Kurds, are they wrong to think that? I thought the Kurds were a moderate bunch

Omega
2017-02-11, 11:13 AM
I hear a lot of people saying good things about the Kurds, are they wrong to think that? I thought the Kurds were a moderate bunch

The Kurds only got glorified recently because they're fighting ISIS, I even saw shia militias (literally 10x worse than ISIS) being glorified just because they fought ISIS. The Kurds aren't moderate they're secularists and nationalists.

Being secularist makes them a minority in terms of how government should be run (there's a reason why Egyptians overwhelmingly supported the Ikhwan), and being nationalist generally makes them racist against Arabs who they see as people who stole their land (again, the irony being Europeans are the ones who destroyed their autonomy after WWI).

When ISIS took half of Iraq in one swoop, they couldn't hold all that territory so the Kurds leeched on and claimed it their own, then America gave them weapons money and air support so they could push back ISIS. They literally would have got fucked up big time otherwise.

And the marxist ideology they follow only makes it worse

NotHelping
2017-02-11, 11:30 AM
The Kurds only got glorified recently because they're fighting ISIS, I even saw shia militias (literally 10x worse than ISIS) being glorified just because they fought ISIS. The Kurds aren't moderate they're secularists and nationalists.

Being secularist makes them a minority in terms of how government should be run (there's a reason why Egyptians overwhelmingly supported the Ikhwan), and being nationalist generally makes them racist against Arabs who they see as people who stole their land (again, the irony being Europeans are the ones who destroyed their autonomy after WWI).

When ISIS took half of Iraq in one swoop, they couldn't hold all that territory so the Kurds leeched on and claimed it their own, then America gave them weapons money and air support so they could push back ISIS. They literally would have got fucked up big time otherwise.

And the marxist ideology they follow only makes it worse

But secular is a good thing, from my Western ideals it is a good thing - if muslim you might disagree

Omega
2017-02-11, 11:35 AM
But secular is a good thing, from my Western ideals it is a good thing - if muslim you might disagree

Here's a concept that seems to slip by many people. A monolithic ideology or governing style would be a disaster for the world. We all have different ideas, morals, and values, and our governments should REFLECT that.

A secular government over non-secular people = oppression

A secular government over secular people = everyone's happy

I can be a non-secular Muslim but still understand a secular government works best for scandinavia, and that would only change when the demographic and morals of the people living there change.

Western values aren't the values of people in the Middle East. It's funny how people thought America would "liberate" iraq, and they thought that all of a sudden the Iraqis would love everything about america democracy, turns out they still wanted to be Muslim (shocker, right?) they still wanted conservative values, they still didn't accept foreign powers intervening in their affairs, they still didn't like Israel, etc.

swoll
2017-02-11, 11:44 AM
The Kurds are pretty racist against Arabs, and they also would have been overrun without US weapons and air support.

The ironic thing is they essentially had a semi autonomous kurdistan during the days of caliphate, basically the caliphate is a system similar to the united states in which various wilayaat (states) are governed by their local populace and are really only bothered by the "federal" body in times of war (for levies) and for marginal land taxes (kharaj). It's even more interesting on an interfaith level because other religious communities could even set up their own non-shariah courts to deal with internal affairs.

From my understanding Rojava's governing coalition includes Arabs, Assyrians, and other minorities and they actually have quotas to include them in government. Or did you just mean Kurds in general are racist towards Arabs?

nihilixm
2017-02-11, 11:45 AM
But secular is a good thing, from my Western ideals it is a good thing - if muslim you might disagree

Its subjective tbh. Just because that's your professors opinion and the zeitgeist of our gen doesn't mean its necessarily correct its just an opinion, im not a Muslim or religious either I just prefer a traditional patriarchal religious society because apparently if people aren't terrified of going to hell everything turns into degeneracy.

Omega
2017-02-11, 11:49 AM
From my understanding Rojava's governing coalition includes Arabs, Assyrians, and other minorities and they actually have quotas to include them in government. Or did you just mean Kurds in general are racist towards Arabs?

That's not uncommon for the Middle East, Iran reserves seats for minorities but that doesn't change the sentiment of the people towards minorities. The Kurds have beef with the Arabs, some of which is justified, but the root of the problem was redrawing the borders of the ME without considering the Kurdistan wilaya which the arabs weren't at fault for.

Point is if these kurds continue to try to impose their rule over others they will be met with opposition because they are a minority not only ethnically but also in ideology, they're on the upswing right now because of western support, but when that western support goes, they're going to be in a very tough spot.

swoll
2017-02-11, 11:50 AM
Interesting

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Omega
2017-02-11, 11:53 AM
Its subjective tbh. Just because that's your professors opinion and the zeitgeist of our gen doesn't mean its necessarily correct its just an opinion, im not a Muslim or religious either I just prefer a traditional patriarchal religious society because apparently if people aren't terrified of going to hell everything turns into degeneracy.

I think it's less about being scared of hell and more about moral relativism which is our problem now. Since morals are so fluid we call our parents generation bigots and feel we have moral superiority over everyone else--problem being these new "morals" have less to do with right and wrong and more to do with hedonism (the idea that if it feels good, it's right), hence fuck what you want, cut your dick off if you want, and anyone who says otherwise is immoral because they're denying you satisfaction.

Without moral relativism morality is set in stone which to me makes more sense anyway. The only tough part is we can't objectively define right and wrong but if there is a right and wrong, i think it should be constant and not an ever changing relative concept.

ultimo1
2017-02-11, 03:25 PM
Here's a concept that seems to slip by many people. A monolithic ideology or governing style would be a disaster for the world. We all have different ideas, morals, and values, and our governments should REFLECT that.

A secular government over non-secular people = oppression

A secular government over secular people = everyone's happy

I can be a non-secular Muslim but still understand a secular government works best for scandinavia, and that would only change when the demographic and morals of the people living there change.

Western values aren't the values of people in the Middle East. It's funny how people thought America would "liberate" iraq, and they thought that all of a sudden the Iraqis would love everything about america democracy, turns out they still wanted to be Muslim (shocker, right?) they still wanted conservative values, they still didn't accept foreign powers intervening in their affairs, they still didn't like Israel, etc.

And that is exactly what the West does not understand. Democracy spreading is foolish to people who don't want democracy.