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Negan
2017-01-23, 04:53 AM
someone who is quite far on the right ?

Frigg Elie Walker the dude

TheMightyAnus
2017-01-23, 04:56 AM
we were all raised in leftie dominated schools. you cant blame them for having some leftie thoughts at that age.

ZUZZBRAH
2017-01-23, 04:59 AM
Im not really that far on the right so to speak.

Like i think issues should be determined on their merit. Not a blind adherence to ideology.

Can't stand some common right wing views on environmental decisions.

If anything i used to have cringe libertarian ideas "weed and hacking bro".

But to answer your question paying tax and kids changes your view on everything; unless your a fuck up. Less unrealistic outlook on shit.

Ps. I used to think riots looked cool, like wow smashing shit is funny. They really piss me of now.

Arlindo
2017-01-23, 05:05 AM
No, i grew up in Germany, i was on a Gymnasium, i was playing basketball and i was skateboarding on various hotspots in our city since i was maybe 13 years old. And all that time was accompanied by the constant fear of getting harassed, hunted, beat up by gangs of migrant youth. There never, ever was a reason for this. Well maybe they envied us. And their strong hatred for the people that took them in, of course.

There always were two big fractions, "refugees" and "resettled" people from Eastern Europe (Chechnya, Bosnia, Albania) on one side. Those were brutal, disturbed youth that had experienced war, war crimes, rape and more first hand. And then they met our weak society full of emasculated boys and men.

The other fraction of course were Arabs (back then it was mostly Turks and Kurds). They all shared a strong love for the country (shithole) their parents had fled from and despised everything that was German.

I will never forget one incident where we were biking to school at 7:30am and a group of Arabs (5-6 years older, maybe 8 guys) were blocking the sidewalk and when we tried to pass they kicked my friend off his bike and onto the road. He had bad abrasions on his side and on his face. When we arrived at school, the teachers would ask us: "What did you do? Did you provoke them? No one does this without a reason....

So yeah, i was always "right" as in feeling like a country should protect it's borders and prevent mass immigration of stone aged welfare pirates.

In before some Muslim living in the US chimes in... You can't compare this. People come to the US because they want to make it. People come to Europe to freeload off of the welfare system. It's like if you have a very intelligent, open minded Muslim with an education, he will 99% of the time go to Canada or the US. And if you have some inbred half-monkey with an IQ of 70 coming from a goat herding village, he will 99% of the time migrate to Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden....

MadSeason
2017-01-23, 05:16 AM
No, i grew up in Germany, i was on a Gymnasium, i was playing basketball and i was skateboarding on various hotspots in our city since i was maybe 13 years old. And all that time was accompanied by the constant fear of getting harassed, hunted, beat up by gangs of migrant youth. There never, ever was a reason for this. Well maybe they envied us. And their strong hatred for the people that took them in, of course.

There always were two big fractions, "refugees" and "resettled" people from Eastern Europe (Chechnya, Bosnia, Albania) on one side. Those were brutal, disturbed youth that had experienced war, war crimes, rape and more first hand. And then they met our weak society full of emasculated boys and men.

The other fraction of course were Arabs (back then it was mostly Turks and Kurds). They all shared a strong love for the country (shithole) their parents had fled from and despised everything that was German.

I will never forget one incident where we were biking to school at 7:30am and a group of Arabs (5-6 years older, maybe 8 guys) were blocking the sidewalk and when we tried to pass they kicked my friend off his bike and onto the road. He had bad abrasions on his side and on his face. When we arrived at school, the teachers would ask us: "What did you do? Did you provoke them? No one does this without a reason....

So yeah, i was always "right" as in feeling like a country should protect it's borders and prevent mass immigration of stone aged welfare pirates.

In before some Muslim living in the US chimes in... You can't compare this. People come to the US because they want to make it. People come to Europe to freeload off of the welfare system. It's like if you have a very intelligent, open minded Muslim with an education, he will 99% of the time go to Canada or the US. And if you have some inbred half-monkey with an IQ of 70 coming from a goat herding village, he will 99% of the time migrate to Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden....

jesus that bike story pissed me off, i would be burning down every mosque i seen until i was caught if it got that had in the states. Soundw like muslims are germany's version of niggers.

Negan
2017-01-23, 05:17 AM
we were all raised in leftie dominated schools. you cant blame them for having some leftie thoughts at that age.

Same here, kinda funny how most teachers are socialists.


Im not really that far on the right so to speak.

Like i think issues should be determined on their merit. Not a blind adherence to ideology.

Can't stand some common right wing views on environmental decisions.

If anything i used to have cringe libertarian ideas "weed and hacking bro".

But to answer your question paying tax and kids changes your view on everything; unless your a fuck up. Less unrealistic outlook on shit.

Ps. I used to think riots looked cool, like wow smashing shit is funny. They really piss me of now.

I don't agree with the rights stance on environmental issues as well. Also I think they should fully legalize weed over here (netherlands) so anyone can buy a quality product that isn't produced by some Moroccan shit head pulling tons of pesticides that should never be inhaled on it.


No, i grew up in Germany, i was on a Gymnasium, i was playing basketball and i was skateboarding on various hotspots in our city since i was maybe 13 years old. And all that time was accompanied by the constant fear of getting harassed, hunted, beat up by gangs of migrant youth. There never, ever was a reason for this. Well maybe they envied us. And their strong hatred for the people that took them in, of course.

There always were two big fractions, "refugees" and "resettled" people from Eastern Europe (Chechnya, Bosnia, Albania) on one side. Those were brutal, disturbed youth that had experienced war, war crimes, rape and more first hand. And then they met our weak society full of emasculated boys and men.

The other fraction of course were Arabs (back then it was mostly Turks and Kurds). They all shared a strong love for the country (shithole) their parents had fled from and despised everything that was German.

I will never forget one incident where we were biking to school at 7:30am and a group of Arabs (5-6 years older, maybe 8 guys) were blocking the sidewalk and when we tried to pass they kicked my friend off his bike and onto the road. He had bad abrasions on his side and on his face. When we arrived at school, the teachers would ask us: "What did you do? Did you provoke them? No one does this without a reason....

So yeah, i was always "right" as in feeling like a country should protect it's borders and prevent mass immigration of stone aged welfare pirates.

In before some Muslim living in the US chimes in... You can't compare this. People come to the US because they want to make it. People come to Europe to freeload off of the welfare system. It's like if you have a very intelligent, open minded Muslim with an education, he will 99% of the time go to Canada or the US. And if you have some inbred half-monkey with an IQ of 70 coming from a goat herding village, he will 99% of the time migrate to Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden....

Once I left my small village to join a larger city I quickly changed since similar fears as you. I had very similar experiences to you and I am sick of seeing these "underprivileged" (which in fact they are not) get away with very light sentences for crimes they commit. On a regular basis I read about them being condemned to minor sentences because they were "underprivileged"/grew up in worse circumstances, as if that excuses dealing pot/stealing bikes/assaulting someone for the 10th time. Our judges are weak as fuck and recently I've seen prosecutors who left the criminal field because they could not handle seeing Achmed, Mo, Tyrese and Johnny get away with their crimes every single time.

BasedLad
2017-01-23, 05:18 AM
used to be autistically right wing at that age tbh now I'm still somewhere on the right but idc as much about politics

Negan
2017-01-23, 05:18 AM
jesus that bike story pissed me off, i would be burning down every mosque i seen until i was caught if it got that had in the states. Soundw like muslims are germany's version of niggers.

Arabs in france, the netherlands and germany (countries were I have first hand experience) have similar crime statistics as your black folks.

ZUZZBRAH
2017-01-23, 05:19 AM
No, i grew up in Germany, i was on a Gymnasium, i was playing basketball and i was skateboarding on various hotspots in our city since i was maybe 13 years old. And all that time was accompanied by the constant fear of getting harassed, hunted, beat up by gangs of migrant youth. There never, ever was a reason for this. Well maybe they envied us. And their strong hatred for the people that took them in, of course.

There always were two big fractions, "refugees" and "resettled" people from Eastern Europe (Chechnya, Bosnia, Albania) on one side. Those were brutal, disturbed youth that had experienced war, war crimes, rape and more first hand. And then they met our weak society full of emasculated boys and men.

The other fraction of course were Arabs (back then it was mostly Turks and Kurds). They all shared a strong love for the country (shithole) their parents had fled from and despised everything that was German.

I will never forget one incident where we were biking to school at 7:30am and a group of Arabs (5-6 years older, maybe 8 guys) were blocking the sidewalk and when we tried to pass they kicked my friend off his bike and onto the road. He had bad abrasions on his side and on his face. When we arrived at school, the teachers would ask us: "What did you do? Did you provoke them? No one does this without a reason....

So yeah, i was always "right" as in feeling like a country should protect it's borders and prevent mass immigration of stone aged welfare pirates.

In before some Muslim living in the US chimes in... You can't compare this. People come to the US because they want to make it. People come to Europe to freeload off of the welfare system. It's like if you have a very intelligent, open minded Muslim with an education, he will 99% of the time go to Canada or the US. And if you have some inbred half-monkey with an IQ of 70 coming from a goat herding village, he will 99% of the time migrate to Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden....

Yeah can't help but wonder if the bottom of the barrel from the middle east go to Europe and the good ones go to English speaking countries.

HBTY
2017-01-23, 05:20 AM
No, i grew up in Germany, i was on a Gymnasium, i was playing basketball and i was skateboarding on various hotspots in our city since i was maybe 13 years old. And all that time was accompanied by the constant fear of getting harassed, hunted, beat up by gangs of migrant youth. There never, ever was a reason for this. Well maybe they envied us. And their strong hatred for the people that took them in, of course.

There always were two big fractions, "refugees" and "resettled" people from Eastern Europe (Chechnya, Bosnia, Albania) on one side. Those were brutal, disturbed youth that had experienced war, war crimes, rape and more first hand. And then they met our weak society full of emasculated boys and men.

The other fraction of course were Arabs (back then it was mostly Turks and Kurds). They all shared a strong love for the country (shithole) their parents had fled from and despised everything that was German.

I will never forget one incident where we were biking to school at 7:30am and a group of Arabs (5-6 years older, maybe 8 guys) were blocking the sidewalk and when we tried to pass they kicked my friend off his bike and onto the road. He had bad abrasions on his side and on his face. When we arrived at school, the teachers would ask us: "What did you do? Did you provoke them? No one does this without a reason....

So yeah, i was always "right" as in feeling like a country should protect it's borders and prevent mass immigration of stone aged welfare pirates.

In before some Muslim living in the US chimes in... You can't compare this. People come to the US because they want to make it. People come to Europe to freeload off of the welfare system. It's like if you have a very intelligent, open minded Muslim with an education, he will 99% of the time go to Canada or the US. And if you have some inbred half-monkey with an IQ of 70 coming from a goat herding village, he will 99% of the time migrate to Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden....

MAGA

TheMightyAnus
2017-01-23, 05:21 AM
jesus that bike story pissed me off, i would be burning down every mosque i seen until i was caught if it got that had in the states. Soundw like muslims are germany's version of niggers.

its the same story all over the word when it comes to muslims.

australia had a problem too with arab muslims a few years ago. we even had a big riot over it. its been quieter now i think the government got more selective who they let in.

muslims are just not compatible with a civilized life. same story all over the world... and it will continue to happen as well.

Negan
2017-01-23, 05:24 AM
Yeah can't help but wonder if the bottom of the barrel from the middle east go to Europe and the good ones go to English speaking countries.

Aren't arabs over represented in crime stats in Aus ?

ZUZZBRAH
2017-01-23, 05:38 AM
Aren't arabs over represented in crime stats in Aus ?

Not really but yes. Like Aboriginals are 2% of the population and 35% of the prison population. Muslims are 3% of the population and 9% of the prison population. But Australia has alot more than just Arab Muslims. And over half the Arabs are not Muslim and they dont keep stats on that just religion.

So i guess who knows.

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 05:53 AM
someone who is quite far on the right ?

Frigg Elie Walker the dude

I used to be somewhat lefty before I got educated, because I believed what the media was saying instead of reading non-biased news pappers

So yes kind of tbh

TestMe
2017-01-23, 06:47 AM
Was a hardcore socialist leftist warrior at 17. 3 years later and I turned into a neoliberal centre-right supporter, till date and I don't think that my political attitude will change anytime soon...

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 06:58 AM
No, i grew up in Germany, i was on a Gymnasium, i was playing basketball and i was skateboarding on various hotspots in our city since i was maybe 13 years old. And all that time was accompanied by the constant fear of getting harassed, hunted, beat up by gangs of migrant youth. There never, ever was a reason for this. Well maybe they envied us. And their strong hatred for the people that took them in, of course.

There always were two big fractions, "refugees" and "resettled" people from Eastern Europe (Chechnya, Bosnia, Albania) on one side. Those were brutal, disturbed youth that had experienced war, war crimes, rape and more first hand. And then they met our weak society full of emasculated boys and men.

The other fraction of course were Arabs (back then it was mostly Turks and Kurds). They all shared a strong love for the country (shithole) their parents had fled from and despised everything that was German.

I will never forget one incident where we were biking to school at 7:30am and a group of Arabs (5-6 years older, maybe 8 guys) were blocking the sidewalk and when we tried to pass they kicked my friend off his bike and onto the road. He had bad abrasions on his side and on his face. When we arrived at school, the teachers would ask us: "What did you do? Did you provoke them? No one does this without a reason....

So yeah, i was always "right" as in feeling like a country should protect it's borders and prevent mass immigration of stone aged welfare pirates.

In before some Muslim living in the US chimes in... You can't compare this. People come to the US because they want to make it. People come to Europe to freeload off of the welfare system. It's like if you have a very intelligent, open minded Muslim with an education, he will 99% of the time go to Canada or the US. And if you have some inbred half-monkey with an IQ of 70 coming from a goat herding village, he will 99% of the time migrate to Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden....


Kill them all

Frigg
2017-01-23, 07:11 AM
i grew up super leftie, "we all bleed the same blood

then i went to eastern europe for a couple of years and realized some people have completely different morals and values and they would bleed you if it benefited them. some cultures dig themselves into a hole because of their ethics, and i'm allowed to acknowledge these differences.
and i'm allowed to acknowledge that they don't give a fuck about political correctness and they have disdain for me and my culture and that i need to protect myself instead of tiptoeing around "NO BUT WE'RE ALL THE SAME, IT'S THE FAULT OF AMERICAN CAPITALISM, READ NOAM CHOMSKY"

Psychopath Watch
2017-01-23, 08:59 AM
At 14 I knew the deal

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 09:05 AM
No, i grew up in Germany, i was on a Gymnasium, i was playing basketball and i was skateboarding on various hotspots in our city since i was maybe 13 years old. And all that time was accompanied by the constant fear of getting harassed, hunted, beat up by gangs of migrant youth. There never, ever was a reason for this. Well maybe they envied us. And their strong hatred for the people that took them in, of course.

There always were two big fractions, "refugees" and "resettled" people from Eastern Europe (Chechnya, Bosnia, Albania) on one side. Those were brutal, disturbed youth that had experienced war, war crimes, rape and more first hand. And then they met our weak society full of emasculated boys and men.

The other fraction of course were Arabs (back then it was mostly Turks and Kurds). They all shared a strong love for the country (shithole) their parents had fled from and despised everything that was German.

I will never forget one incident where we were biking to school at 7:30am and a group of Arabs (5-6 years older, maybe 8 guys) were blocking the sidewalk and when we tried to pass they kicked my friend off his bike and onto the road. He had bad abrasions on his side and on his face. When we arrived at school, the teachers would ask us: "What did you do? Did you provoke them? No one does this without a reason....

So yeah, i was always "right" as in feeling like a country should protect it's borders and prevent mass immigration of stone aged welfare pirates.

In before some Muslim living in the US chimes in... You can't compare this. People come to the US because they want to make it. People come to Europe to freeload off of the welfare system. It's like if you have a very intelligent, open minded Muslim with an education, he will 99% of the time go to Canada or the US. And if you have some inbred half-monkey with an IQ of 70 coming from a goat herding village, he will 99% of the time migrate to Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, Sweden....

I'm from the US so that's some shit I can't relate to and very well maybe true.

When people come from extremely fucked up places and imiigrate to Eastern Europe, Canada or America you can't expect them to just blend right in and take full advantage of the opportunity with all the shit they've been through. They probably hate the world or have serve undiagnosed PTSD or some shit.

It's really a no win sotuation

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 09:10 AM
I used to be somewhat lefty before I got educated, because I believed what the media was saying instead of reading non-biased news pappers

So yes kind of tbh

Everything has a bias in my opinion, sure you can get less biased but this Trump/Hillary campaign showed me that so clearly. Both sides of the media (liberal MSNBC, conservative Fox News) both just lied the whole fucking time about what they and the eachother was up to. It was almost comical. You have 2 sides of the media trying to paint a picture of the other one when they both are pieces of shit and just want power.

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 11:29 AM
Everything has a bias in my opinion, sure you can get less biased but this Trump/Hillary campaign showed me that so clearly. Both sides of the media (liberal MSNBC, conservative Fox News) both just lied the whole fucking time about what they and the eachother was up to. It was almost comical. You have 2 sides of the media trying to paint a picture of the other one when they both are pieces of shit and just want power.

Yeah no doubt, why competitor A wouldn't do what competitor B does makes no sense

In Sweden however the left has ALWAYS been the side backed up by the media, especially once the immigration problems stared and every right was looked at as a racist or nazi

But now they can't deny the fact that it's going to shit so we (the right) are finally getting somewhere, keep in mind that our nationalist party travelled all the way from the bottom to the second highest party with no media back up, and being deemed racists for all this time, that goes to show how much THE PEOPLE knows what going on and are seeing through the media bullshit.

Feelsgoodman

:banderas:

BloodyRed
2017-01-23, 11:43 AM
I was a Libertarian Socialist (Anarchist) and now I'm a firm Conservative Republican.

The left is going to destroy civilization. They are sheep being led to a slaughter.

DruOmedra
2017-01-23, 12:00 PM
I'm South African so when people talk about left and right in America I just sit there like hmm ok.

Obviously I know some about it, but not as in detail as someone who actively lives there.

TBH I'm not sure where I'd be placed. I'm Atheist and Bisexual, which very few Trump supporters are, you're more likely to find those types of people in the Hillary corner, but I can fucking stand those people.

Those crazy fuckers yelling Not My President, rioting for no reason, yelling rape culture at everyone and everything. Calling everyone racist, bigot, rapist, sexist whenever you disagree with them.

I'm also anti-SJW I fucking can't stand white knights and the PC police. Also BLM is a retarded movement in USA, because you have black people chanting they want dead cops and assaulting white people for being white (literally I've seen the footage many times). There's actually a lot of black americans who are anti BLM, because the movement devolved into a cesspool of hate and violence. These are the same fuckers who said they're not gonna let Bernie Sanders have his speech unless they get to speak first at an event that's not even theirs and they said they're gonna trash the place etc.

And then you have those 4 fuckers who assaulted and kidnapped that disabled kid in the name of BLM.

Yeah nah, I don't think so boyo.

And these are the same fucktards that take every clickbait fake news article about Trump and spew it as gospel. "Trump wants to deport ILLEGALS". "oh my gooodddd trumps a racist if he's elected he gonna kill/deport blacks and mexicans"

Then you get those fuckers who block off people from going to work, they block off highways, roads, pedestrian crossings - disrupting the very country they so think is gonna go to hell because of trump.

Fuck no.

Liberals are 'free thinkers', until you disagree with them. Then you're a misogynist, racist, white supremacist etc etc.

No thanks boyo. I'd vote Trump every day of the week even if Mike Pence wants to kill me fml.

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 12:07 PM
Yeah no doubt, why competitor A wouldn't do what competitor B does makes no sense

In Sweden however the left has ALWAYS been the side backed up by the media, especially once the immigration problems stared and every right was looked at as a racist or nazi

But now they can't deny the fact that it's going to shit so we (the right) are finally getting somewhere, keep in mind that our nationalist party travelled all the way from the bottom to the second highest party with no media back up, and being deemed racists for all this time, that goes to show how much THE PEOPLE knows what going on and are seeing through the media bullshit.

Feelsgoodman

:banderas:

Yeah Sweden is literally off the map too the left. At least you benefit by getting 150/month for going to school. That's a really far left policy lol. We pay like 5-55k a year to go to school lmao

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 12:13 PM
I'm South African so when people talk about left and right in America I just sit there like hmm ok.

Obviously I know some about it, but not as in detail as someone who actively lives there.

TBH I'm not sure where I'd be placed. I'm Atheist and Bisexual, which very few Trump supporters are, you're more likely to find those types of people in the Hillary corner, but I can fucking stand those people.

Those crazy fuckers yelling Not My President, rioting for no reason, yelling rape culture at everyone and everything. Calling everyone racist, bigot, rapist, sexist whenever you disagree with them.

I'm also anti-SJW I fucking can't stand white knights and the PC police. Also BLM is a retarded movement in USA, because you have black people chanting they want dead cops and assaulting white people for being white (literally I've seen the footage many times). There's actually a lot of black americans who are anti BLM, because the movement devolved into a cesspool of hate and violence. These are the same fuckers who said they're not gonna let Bernie Sanders have his speech unless they get to speak first at an event that's not even theirs and they said they're gonna trash the place etc.

And then you have those 4 fuckers who assaulted and kidnapped that disabled kid in the name of BLM.

Yeah nah, I don't think so boyo.

And these are the same fucktards that take every clickbait fake news article about Trump and spew it as gospel. "Trump wants to deport ILLEGALS". "oh my gooodddd trumps a racist if he's elected he gonna kill/deport blacks and mexicans"

Then you get those fuckers who block off people from going to work, they block off highways, roads, pedestrian crossings - disrupting the very country they so think is gonna go to hell because of trump.

Fuck no.

Liberals are 'free thinkers', until you disagree with them. Then you're a misogynist, racist, white supremacist etc etc.

No thanks boyo. I'd vote Trump every day of the week even if Mike Pence wants to kill me fml.

That's a section of the left, just like how a section of the trump supporters are openly racist and don't like people like you for being bisexual. Doesn't mean all of them are like that.

SJWs are literally the worst though

JamesLI
2017-01-23, 12:15 PM
I'm a pretty libertarian guy straight up, do no harm, just let freedom be, stop trying to control people and defend your rights....

However the world won't allow peaceful freedom, I'm down for fascism, strict fucking mass murder of the left for now bc they annoy me more and will be the downfall of civilization.

DruOmedra
2017-01-23, 12:34 PM
That's a section of the left, just like how a section of the trump supporters are openly racist and don't like people like you for being bisexual. Doesn't mean all of them are like that.

SJWs are literally the worst though

Well fuck, then we need something in the middle of the two. I'd happily label myself as that.

Because as it stands a lot of people are just seeing the extremes of both sides (to be fair the extremes also attract fuck tons of attention), so it's easy for people to go 'yeah fuck those people they're all X, Y, Z because they are lib/dem etc. If I want to support Hillary I'd want to be able to do so without being called an Anarchist or a Feminazi etc. Just the same as if I want to support Trump I don't wanna be called a racist or a supremacist.
But as it stands its a lot worse to be called a racist or a nazi than a feminazi or SJW. So if I want to publicly disagree with an SJW and they start spewing racist, rapist etc at me it's gonna gather a fuck ton of negative attention to me. Those words just carry more weight yeah?

That being said though, I haven't really seen a lot of Trump supporters going apeshit like the anti trump crowd is - though that could just have been because he won.

Idk, I feel like USA is a great country that allows a lot freedom compared to the rest of the world, it has some of the best human rights and I'd love to live there vs South Africa which is riddled with crime.

But yeah, I'm a peaceful person, so when I see people with massive amounts of influence/follows start hating on straight white men I just sit here bertstaring my screen like what. (I know im not straight but I pretty much get treated like one since dating a girl for 4 years so I identify a lot with that side of it).

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 12:46 PM
Yeah Sweden is literally off the map too the left. At least you benefit by getting 150/month for going to school. That's a really far left policy lol. We pay like 5-55k a year to go to school lmao

ik, and at 21+ you get even more than that plus that sick loan you could take
I'm turning 21 in may so next semester will be so much easier on my mind, not having to look at my fucking bank account to see if I can buy a can of redbull LOL

I really feel for immortalkid

sgzn
2017-01-23, 12:47 PM
I used to vote Liberal Democrat (left wing UK party) in my late teens because stupidly I thought they were the most libertarian party. Turned out they were shills for the EU, cultural-marxism and islamofascism. Young people just don't know better, but that comes with being young.

It's people older than 21 who still hold left wing views who are utterly pathetic.

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 12:52 PM
ik, and at 21+ you get even more than that plus that sick loan you could take
I'm turning 21 in may so next semester will be so much easier on my mind, not having to look at my fucking bank account to see if I can buy a can of redbull LOL

I really feel for immortalkid

Don't be picking and choosing though...

I feel like conservatives talk down about certain programs and shit until it benefits them and then there cool with it or directly effects them...

For example like dick Cheney hated gay people but when his daughter came out, he switched his stance on a dime.

There's thing Trump supporter across my street whose a nice guy honestly but he's dumb as fuck lol. He's been on disability for like 7 years cause of a lung problem but moes his grass and does shit like that but hates people on welfare and food stamps and shit lmao..

I'm not saying you should regrct the money but I'm just pointing out here that you are benefitting from a far left policy and would be broke paying 5-20k per semester instead of getting a couple hundred a month. You do understand that correct?

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 12:57 PM
Don't be picking and choosing though...

I feel like conservatives talk down about certain programs and shit until it benefits them and then there cool with it. Lol

I'm not saying you should reflect the money but I'm just pointing out here that you are benefitting from a far left policy and would be broke paying 5-20k per semester instead of getting a couple hundred a month. You do understand that correct?

Ofc, but we play by the rules were given, if getting paid by the government wasn't a thing then I would obviously go about in other ways, but I won't refuse free money because I'm on the right lol

I'm lower middle class myself, in theory I should be a socialist because that would benefit me much more but I know if I didn't have a low income, I would not agree with socialism at all, that's why I don't agree with their POV because it would make me such a hypocrite, however right now I'm more worried about my country for the other reasons I stated before

Listen, I fully understand what each and every political ideology is trying to do, and many have good ideas, however when it comes to the ratio of pros and cons, for my country, the right is the best choice by far, and so it seems for USA as well, but I couldn't talk for other countries, there are too many factors to take into consideration.

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 01:10 PM
Ofc, but we play by the rules were given, if getting paid by the government wasn't a thing then I would obviously go about in other ways, but I won't refuse free money because I'm on the right lol

I'm lower middle class myself, in theory I should be a socialist because that would benefit me much more but I know if I didn't have a low income, I would not agree with socialism at all, that's why I don't agree with their POV because it would make me such a hypocrite, however right now I'm more worried about my country for the other reasons I stated before

Listen, I fully understand what each and every political ideology is trying to do, and many have good ideas, however when it comes to the ratio of pros and cons, for my country, the right is the best choice by far, and so it seems for USA as well, but I couldn't talk for other countries, there are too many factors to take into consideration.

That's a real respectable opinion. I don't expect you to turn away free money but just pointing that out lol

Here in the US, the establishment republicans are far more curropt and do the bidding of the billionaires who donate millions dollars to their campaigns. The clintons are really known for this too though.

America doesn't have the problem it seems with immigration. We don't have really any problems at all with it except maybe slightly in the south due to illegal Mexicans but it's really blown out of proportion by people who just want a reason to hate Mexicans.

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 01:21 PM
It happens as you get older, that's why I love it when some leftists have kids. Sucks the liberal right the fuck out of you.


Some girl used to post Bernie Sanders shit 24/7 on facebook and leftist crap then got knocked up by a guy (who stuck around) but you can tell she went through some kind of crucible and realized how money and the real world works and the liberal dreamland ended real fucking quick

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 01:27 PM
That's a real respectable opinion. I don't expect you to turn away free money but just pointing that out lol

Here in the US, the establishment republicans are far more curropt and do the bidding of the billionaires who donate millions dollars to their campaigns. The clintons are really known for this too though.

America doesn't have the problem it seems with immigration. We don't have really any problems at all with it except maybe slightly in the south due to illegal Mexicans but it's really blown out of proportion by people who just want a reason to hate Mexicans.

Yeah America have a fuuuuck ton more corruption than Sweden, I mean Sweden is a nation of less than 10 mil people so that explains itself, plus you guys got the Rotchilds and those fucks basicly owning everything they touch. But I can for sure understand that the more people a nation have, the less black and white it becomes, and it's just a mix of grey mixed with propaganda and uneducated people not knowing what they're even voting for (I mean tbh most people during this US election had 90% of their facts from the media)

No doubt about the Mexicans, it seems like people are making it a much bigger issue than it is, I mean sure it is a problem at the states close to the border, but that's about it, I watched a lot of interviews where Americans asked Mexican people in Mexico what they thought about Trump building the wall, and most thought it was great actually, sure there was a few who only had one answer and that was ''FUCK TRUMP, we're mexican we'll find a way'' etc, but those are probably also the ones who know a lot of illegals.

People cant seem to grasp the difference between illegals and immigrants, that really triggers me when SJW's go ham on someone for supporting the building of the wall


now let's talk about digestive enzymes
ok mby not

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 01:34 PM
No doubt about the Mexicans, it seems like people are making it a much bigger issue than it is, I mean sure it is a problem at the states close to the border, but that's about it, I watched a lot of interviews where Americans asked Mexican people in Mexico what they thought about Trump building the wall, and most thought it was great actually, sure there was a few who only had one answer and that was ''FUCK TRUMP, we're mexican we'll find a way'' etc, but those are probably also the ones who know a lot of illegals.


Nope, Illegal Mexican immigrants are literally costing taxpayers billions as well as leeching off multiple entitlement programs.

We're already paying too many people to not do shit and the nexus of these issues were the tipping point this election to a Trump victory.

Anyone who undervalues how much illegals cost just flat out doesn't understand how money works, sorry.

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 01:40 PM
Nope, Illegal Mexican immigrants are literally costing taxpayers billions as well as leeching off multiple entitlement programs.

We're already paying too many people to not do shit and the nexus of these issues were the tipping point this election to a Trump victory.

Anyone who undervalues how much illegals cost just flat out doesn't understand how money works, sorry.

You drank the koolaid bro. Billions of dollars? Just lol. 95% of them are working shit jobs 14hr a days dishwashing jobs etc etc. I've worked at like 4 restaurants and not 1 dishwasher ever spoke any English. It's probably safe to say at least a couple of them were illegals.

They work very hard for shit money, sure it's under the table, sure that's a problem but it's not something to run a campaign off of. There is easily 10 issues far more important in my opinion.

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 01:53 PM
Nope, Illegal Mexican immigrants are literally costing taxpayers billions as well as leeching off multiple entitlement programs.

We're already paying too many people to not do shit and the nexus of these issues were the tipping point this election to a Trump victory.

Anyone who undervalues how much illegals cost just flat out doesn't understand how money works, sorry.

Where do you get those numbers from?

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 01:53 PM
You drank the koolaid bro. Billions of dollars? Just lol. 95% of them are working shit jobs 14hr a days dishwashing jobs etc etc. I've worked at like 4 restaurants and not 1 dishwasher ever spoke any English. It's probably safe to say at least a couple of them were illegals.

They work very hard for shit money, sure it's under the table, sure that's a problem but it's not something to run a campaign off of. There is easily 10 issues far more important in my opinion.

Reread:


unfamiliar with his views but the premise of basically 'not having a border'

I used to be a libertarian autistic wimp but that was until I realized how much Mexico has taken advantage of us.

I am also against the welfare state paying for the crap of black people that shit kids and are criminals, and the trailer trash that's on drugs.

I knew a Mexican girl here in my apartment complex, she has 8 brothers and 1 sister, all US citizens because their illegal Mexican parents shat them out here in the US after sneaking in around the 90's.

According to my conservative calculation, they cost the taxpayer to pay for their crap is around 3.8 million dollars if you add the cost of their healthcare since the moment they were shat in a Hospital for free, going through the welfare they get while they are children, plus all the other Medicaid and free care they get while being children.

This particular girl is on an undeserved bogus scholarship in my local State University, as well as her other brothers who got scholarships in other lesser public universities through sports that no one actually cares about (Soccer, other crap).

All of this does not count the cost of bringing down the wages of low-wage workers, since obviously their parasite parents had jobs under the table.

Once one of these invaders turns 21, they can sponsor their parents to emigrate legally. Once legal, they will leech of Medicare and your Social Security until they die.

The US has about 30 years of slow and "tolerable" decline after that it will not be a 1st world country anymore, it will be the best third world country provided on how much money you make.



Know who also works hard for shit money? Legal Americans who pay income taxes, as well as filing tax returns which 90% of illegals don't.

Our border with Mexico is open. Over 12 million illegal aliens entered America. Many are gang & drug cartel members, drug traffickers, violent criminals, murderers, and rapists who have committed terrible crimes against Americans. Obama even told illegal aliens to vote, which made it an even bigger issue.

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 01:58 PM
Where do you get those numbers from?

http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/research-pub/USCostStudy_2013upd.pdf

http://www.fairus.org/images/113537.jpg

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 01:59 PM
Reread:





Know who also works hard for shit money? Legal Americans who pay income taxes, as well as filing tax returns which 90% of illegals don't.

Our border with Mexico is open. Over 12 million illegal aliens entered America. Many are gang & drug cartel members, drug traffickers, violent criminals, murderers, and rapists who have committed terrible crimes against Americans. Obama even told illegal aliens to vote, which made it an even bigger issue.

I don't have statistics on that but sure some of them are definitely criminals. But a lot of them are doing shit jobs that most Americans don't want to do. There is much bigger problems. If there was an easy solution sure I'd support it cause it is a problem and an issue.

But building a wall that Mexico will pay for isn't a solution. That will never happen and trump knows it. He doesn't really have the best track record of being honest during this campaign.

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 02:01 PM
http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/research-pub/USCostStudy_2013upd.pdf

http://www.fairus.org/images/113537.jpg

I don't get it, is that weekly, yearly, monthly?

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 02:03 PM
I don't have statistics on that but sure some of them are definitely criminals. But a lot of them are doing shit jobs that most Americans don't want to do. There is much bigger problems. If there was an easy solution sure I'd support it cause it is a problem and an issue.

But building a wall that Mexico will pay for isn't a solution. That will never happen and trump knows it. He doesn't really have the best track record of being honest during this campaign.

Well it's time to get educated on this matter then.

They actually are bringing Drugs and raping people. They're fucking shit up in my state alone.

Illegals are responsible for more than 90% of the heroine in America.

It is complete negligence on Mexico's hand to not address this and Cuba did that same many years ago.

https://www.ice.gov/.../ice-texas-field-offices-remove...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../58dfc590-2123-4cc6...

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 02:08 PM
I don't get it, is that weekly, yearly, monthly?

Yeah it wasn't very specific to how that adds up to "billions of dollars"

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 02:11 PM
Yeah it wasn't very specific to how that adds up to "billions of dollars"
Yeah I want to know this

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 02:13 PM
Yeah it wasn't very specific to how that adds up to "billions of dollars"

miss the ($M) logo at the top of the graph? Cmon man.

Look at the expenditure on Education, Medical, Law enforcement, Public assistance, general expenditures...

Brownrice123
2017-01-23, 02:15 PM
Opposite for me

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 02:17 PM
Well it's time to get educated on this matter then.

They actually are bringing Drugs and raping people. They're fucking shit up in my state alone.

Illegals are responsible for more than 90% of the heroine in America.

It is complete negligence on Mexico's hand to not address this and Cuba did that same many years ago.

https://www.ice.gov/.../ice-texas-field-offices-remove...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../58dfc590-2123-4cc6...

I don't buy the heroin fact at all. I know people who have ordered all types of illegal shit online and know 2 people who order bulk ecstasy pills from the Netherlands. Getting drugs isn't like it used to be. You don't have to go to the slums to find anything anymore. You don't need to know Pablo to get fire cocaine and you know need to know hippies to get acid. All you need to know is how to use a computer anonymously. Everything is accessible from anywhere. You either pulled that percentage out of your ass or you got that from a person who has no idea how to find that number correctly at all.

Neither link worked idk what they were linked too.

Again, were not going to be able to agree but we have much bigger problems and I don't buy that they cost America billions of dollars.

Using Donald's trumps number about how much illegal immigrants cost America per year (133 billion) that means EACH illegal immigrant costs is over 10k PER PERSON. Dude you drank the koolaid, you are listening to a pathological liar who will say anything to get a rise out of his base.

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 02:18 PM
I don't get it, is that weekly, yearly, monthly?

~113 bil annually

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 02:21 PM
I don't buy the heroin fact at all. I know people who have ordered all types of illegal shit online and know 2 people who order bulk ecstasy pills from the Netherlands. Getting drugs isn't like it used to be. You don't have to go to the slums to find anything anymore. You don't need to know Pablo to get fire cocaine and you know need to know hippies to get acid. All you need to know is how to use a computer anonymously. Everything is accessible from anywhere. You either pulled that percentage out of your ass or you got that from a person who has no idea how to find that number correctly at all.

Neither link worked idk what they were linked too.

Again, were not going to be able to agree but we have much bigger problems and I don't buy that they cost America billions of dollars.

Using Donald's trumps number about how much illegal immigrants cost America per year (133 billion) that means EACH illegal immigrant costs is over 10k PER PERSON. Dude you drank the koolaid, you are listening to a pathological liar who will say anything to get a rise out of his base.

Doesn't matter what you buy, you're too cognitive dissonant even when I provided factual information you straight up ignored it.

Here's the full links.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-texas-field-offices-remove-more-800-sex-offenders-so-far-year#wcm-survey-target-id
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/tracing-the-us-heroin-surge-back-south-of-the-border-as-mexican-cannabis-output-falls/2014/04/06/58dfc590-2123-4cc6-b664-1e5948960576_story.html?utm_term=.fb7ac5524f1f#com ments


Do you honestly believe illegals aren't a burden for the average taxpaying American? If not then you're clearly out of touch with what this country just voted for then.

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 02:24 PM
~113 bil annually
I don't see where it adds up to that number?


cmon now

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 02:26 PM
miss the ($M) logo at the top of the graph? Cmon man.

Look at the expenditure on Education, Medical, Law enforcement, Public assistance, general expenditures...

Yeah that definitely seems legit. So using that number which is significantly less than Donald trump but still excessive. You are saying each illegal immigrant is getting 7k worth of free shit each? Dude your delusional. They live with there whole fucking family working like 14hrs days to live in a single house with 8 people. Using that math that family gets over 50k worth of free shit per year. Not bad at all...

Where did you find that shit? They live litterally shot lives and are just trying to run away from cartels that run Mexico. 90% of heroin? Dude these starts are 100% retarded

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 02:28 PM
Yeah that definitely seems legit. So using that number which is significantly less than Donald trump but still excessive. You are saying each illegal immigrant is getting 7k worth of free shit each? Dude your delusional. They live with there whole fucking family working like 14hrs days to live in a single house with 8 people. Using that math that family gets over 50k worth of free shit per year. Not bad at all...

Where did you find that shit? They live litterally shot lives and are just trying to run away from cartels that run Mexico. 90% of heroin? Dude these starts are 100% retarded



I don't see where it adds up to that number?


cmon now

Probably because you're not reading what I posted and don't understand how to do basic addition for the total sum of expenses.


All studies assessing the impact of illegal aliens begin with estimates of the size of that population. We use a population of 13 million broken down by state.

In our cost estimates we also include the minor children of illegal aliens born in the United States. That adds another 3.4 million children to the 1.3 million children who are illegal aliens themselves. We include these U.S. citizen children of illegal aliens because the fiscal outlays for them are a direct result of the illegal migration that led to their U.S. birth. We do so as well in the assumption that if the parents leave voluntarily or involuntarily they will take these children with them. The birth of these children and their subsequent medical care represent a large share of the estimated Medicaid and Child Health Insurance Program expenditures associated with illegal aliens.

We use data collected by the federal and state governments on school expenses, Limited English Proficiency enrollment, school meal programs, university enrollment, and other public assistance programs administered at the federal and state level. Estimates of incarceration expenses are based on data collected in the State Criminal Alien Assistance Program in which state and local detention facilities seek federal compensation for the cost of detention of criminal and deportable aliens. Estimates for other administration of justice expenditures are based on data collected from the states by the U.S. Department of Justice. General government expenditures are estimated for other non-enumerated functions of government at both the federal and local level. An example would be the cost of fire departments or the cost of the legislature.

Medical costs that amount to 10 percent of overall state and local outlays on illegal aliens derive from our estimate of the childbirths to illegal alien mothers covered by Medicaid, the subsequent medical insurance and treatment of those children and an estimate of uncompensated cost of emergency medical treatment received by illegal aliens. The latter expenditure estimate is based on state and local government studies of uncompensated medical care.

The tax collections from illegal aliens assume eight million illegal alien workers, one-half of whom are in the underground economy. Those in the above-ground economy are assumed to have an average family income of $31,200 (60 hr. workweek @ $10/hr.) with two children.

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 02:32 PM
inb4 another non argumentative appeal to emotion fallacy

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 02:32 PM
Probably because you're not reading what I posted and don't understand how to do basic addition for the total sum of expenses.

You dumb? You listed some costs for each state but didn't clarify what they were, monthly or annual, plus do you expect me to read 90 papers in an PDF for something you brought up?

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 02:38 PM
I don't get it, is that weekly, yearly, monthly?


miss the ($M) logo at the top of the graph? Cmon man.

Look at the expenditure on Education, Medical, Law enforcement, Public assistance, general expenditures...


~113 bil annually


I don't see where it adds up to that number?


You dumb? You listed some costs for each state but didn't clarify what they were, monthly or annual, plus do you expect me to read 90 papers in an PDF for something you brought up?


http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Joe-Biden-Laughing-Shaking-his-Head.gif


Here's a simplified one page summary for you Sven bc you're having some trouble:http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

Lil Flinch
2017-01-23, 02:41 PM
Doesn't matter what you buy, you're too cognitive dissonant even when I provided factual information you straight up ignored it.

Here's the full links.

https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-texas-field-offices-remove-more-800-sex-offenders-so-far-year#wcm-survey-target-id
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/tracing-the-us-heroin-surge-back-south-of-the-border-as-mexican-cannabis-output-falls/2014/04/06/58dfc590-2123-4cc6-b664-1e5948960576_story.html?utm_term=.fb7ac5524f1f#com ments


Do you honestly believe illegals aren't a burden for the average taxpaying American? If not then you're clearly out of touch with what this country just voted for then.

I'm not saying it isn't a problem I'm saying it isn't a major issue and we have tons of bigger problems. There isn't an easy solution either. There are illegal immigrants from all over the world. Europe Africa Middle East etc. There's no simple solution to stop it. Building a wall and having Mexico pay for it isn't going to happen

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 02:48 PM
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Joe-Biden-Laughing-Shaking-his-Head.gif


Here's a simplified one page summary for you Sven bc you're having some trouble:http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

Why do you act like an asshole?
You gave me some info with holes missing in them and then I asked for you to explain.

Not saying those numbers aren't close to being accurate, but the word ''estimates''/''estimated'' are thrown around a fuck ton there, and is FAIR a privately run website?
I tried looking for the source but it only took me to that same long PDF, also regarding that, how can you have sources on estimations?


See I'm right wing myself, I only want to know the truth, that's why I'm trying to be critical about the sources

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 02:48 PM
I'm not saying it isn't a problem I'm saying it isn't a major issue and we have tons of bigger problems. There isn't an easy solution either. There are illegal immigrants from all over the world. Europe Africa Middle East etc. There's no simple solution to stop it. Building a wall and having Mexico pay for it isn't going to happen

There's bigger issues, but don't play it off like it isn't a big issue that effects taxpayers directly, which tends to get people to care.

He who shall not be named
2017-01-23, 02:53 PM
Why do you act like an asshole?
You gave me some info with holes missing in them and then I asked for you to explain.

Not saying those numbers aren't close to being accurate, but the word ''estimates''/''estimated'' are thrown around a fuck ton there, and is FAIR a privately run website?
I tried looking for the source but it only took me to that same long PDF, also regarding that, how can you have sources on estimations?


See I'm right wing myself, I only want to know the truth, that's why I'm trying to be critical about the sources

You should learn how to read articles then before going off on a tirade on the person providing them who already answered questions and answers being easily found in the article itself.

If you actually did that then this exchange would've been shortened to the 2nd verse in your quote.

Swedish Fika
2017-01-23, 03:04 PM
You should learn how to read articles then before going off on a tirade on the person providing them who already answered questions and answers being easily found in the article itself.

If you actually did that then this exchange would've been shortened to the 2nd verse in your quote.

A triad? For asking about sources and being sceptical?

You can't be serious right?


I did the exact same thing when leftist accused trump of tax evasion etc, just because I'm right wing doesn't mean I just suck up information without showing criticism over the sources

But I'll leave you to it, not my country so I'm obviously not as educated on the subject, but when I want to I just get responded to like an asshole

Thanks.

swoll
2017-01-23, 05:53 PM
Used to be a libertarian (U.S. Libertarian Party version)

CUCKHINOOOO
2017-02-03, 07:08 AM
You would't do shit pussy.

If you saw me you'd piss your weener