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    Quote Originally Posted by leftzing View Post
    Just finished the interview, so much shit I have said myself and that addicts have said to me. He is in some extreme denial but he does know he is addicted which is the first step. When he said what he was currently on... holy shit. But "its for a competition"... Also, the future is not good for this guys relationship....

    Dave does a good job with this guy.

    The kids thing was sad, the guy still doesn't realize how unlikely he would be to have kids.
    Can you cliff me on the kids thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitch666 View Post
    Fellas long term relationship ended about two months ago. was a sadkunt first month

    last 3 weeks i've smashed 6 bitches including a lesbian who had not been with a guy in years and just brokeup with her gf lmao. I have a screenshot a friend took of a snap i sent him while throatfucking her lol.
    Also went home with a girl who only ended up making out with me because she had a boyfriend and apparently in her mind that was ok? lol. tells me her bf is muslim and I responded "oh shit mohammed is gonna stone your ass for this" which she found hilarious.

    So i passed out in her bed, fuck it right? Well i wokeup in the morning and ended up fucking her roommate lmao. roommate was like a 6 and the original one i was going for was an 8 but i mean thats a great story. They also took a picture of me in bed with both of them hanging off of me. Sent that to my dumbass friend who went home too early the night before or he probably could have taken one. Worked out well though

    Going to try to start posting more often again. Some old school vintage Mitch666 blackout degenerate posts are coming fellas.


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    Anyone's experience with NPP, the kick in, etc? Been on it for two weeks today along with 450 teste. Haven't felt it at all. Was told 2-4 weeks. When did you guys know you hit it? With something like dbol I did my second chest rotation, was doing a warmup with 135 and knew it kicked in right there.

    EDIT: Test is at 450 a week. NPP is at 350 a week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe2500 View Post
    I actually took redicat paper back in the day no lie
    I remember you telling us how you took clen and dnp before they went mainstream

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnuckleDeep View Post
    Anyone's experience with NPP, the kick in, etc? Been on it for two weeks today along with 450 teste. Haven't felt it at all. Was told 2-4 weeks. When did you guys know you hit it? With something like dbol I did my second chest rotation, was doing a warmup with 135 and knew it kicked in right there.

    EDIT: Test is at 450 a week. NPP is at 350 a week.
    not using npp , but moving into week 4 of deca and i can feel it kicking in . Eating keto atm at maintenance cals and the deca is making me much harder and fuller.
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    Anyone here any experience with Ashwagandha? KSM-66 ?

    Just got it, heard it helps with anxiety/depression/calmness or whatever ?

    @leftzing maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRuleMaster View Post
    Anyone here any experience with Ashwagandha? KSM-66 ?

    Just got it, heard it helps with anxiety/depression/calmness or whatever ?

    @leftzing maybe?
    I have tried Ashwagandha in the past, it seemed to help.

    Chelated Magnesium (ZMA or "Natural Calm" both help), Gabapentin, Valerian are also safe and effective for anxiety. If its severe then Atarax or Benadryl can help.

    For long term anxiety, I would suggest SSRIs. That is what I take. Be careful with benzos. Lots of Doctors have no idea how much of an issue they can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulgarian View Post
    Can you cliff me on the kids thing?
    He really wanted to have kids, apparently that is one of the major issues with his partner. She wanted kids. Dave said it was unlikely, but that adoption could be considered. However, he was not a candidate for adopting a child with his current issues. Guy agreed but then said it was really sad he cannot bring someone into the world. Then still kinda stated he might be able to have kids. It was some denial.

    Later, he said that if his partner left then he had nothing to live for as she is the only good thing that has happened to him (co-dependency).
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    Quote Originally Posted by leftzing View Post
    I haven't listened to it yet, but Dave talked about him earlier and mentioned he meet the criteria needed for a substance abuse disorder. Dave does Harm Reduction work with alcohol so he would know the defintion.

    Lots of Addicts/Alcoholics/Sex Addicts/Gambling addicts etc etc are extremely intelligent. Sometimes that doesn't translate to book smarts, but many are extremely street smart. As for him not caring about the damage, substance abuse can do that. Often its due to denial and rationalization. You literally cannot comprehend how much damage you are doing, despite it being very obvious to others.

    I am talking to a friend that has refused to go to treatment with a major drinking problem. He was throwing up blood over the weekend. While at the ER he was telling the doctors it wasn't that bad and was probably due to spicy food. He didn't go to treatment.

    My wakeup call/bottom included waking up in the hospital with a tube down my throat and a catheter in my dick. I had been to the hospital before but it was only then that I realized how fucked up I was. Still to this day, I will occasionally get cravings and using sounds like a good idea. That doesn't happen often anymore, but it still does. Most people would never place themselves at the risk I placed myself at, let alone think about possibly doing something that could lead to it again. It just never fully goes away.

    Now with gear, I am able to think very rationally about it and stay reasonably healthy. Same goes for gambling, never been an issue. But shit like sex, relationships, video games, money can all really bring out the inner addict thinking with me. I have had relationships that felt like using drugs.
    Yeah I agree that addicts can often be very smart. The dumbest shit I've ever heard is "addicts are so stupid because they could have just said no to drugs", as if depression, anxiety, sexual abuse, etc play no role in drug addiction....

    Hell, my GF dropped out of college and was addicted to oxycodone and meth. Fast forward 5 years, she's clean with no relapses, and about to finish her Master's degree with a 3.8ish GPA.

    And regarding gambling, I consider myself to have an addictive personality (used a lot of drugs earlier in life, but got my shit together, and dont abuse AAS), but I never ever liked gambling. Actually, I fucking hate gambling. It gives me really bad anxiety, and even small bets fuck with me and I can't enjoy watching a game knowing I have money on the line (like even $20 on a football game). I swear I'm in the top 1% of most gambling averse people on the planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Special Agent Blaha View Post
    Yeah I agree that addicts can often be very smart. The dumbest shit I've ever heard is "addicts are so stupid because they could have just said no to drugs", as if depression, anxiety, sexual abuse, etc play no role in drug addiction....

    Hell, my GF dropped out of college and was addicted to oxycodone and meth. Fast forward 5 years, she's clean with no relapses, and about to finish her Master's degree with a 3.8ish GPA.

    And regarding gambling, I consider myself to have an addictive personality (used a lot of drugs earlier in life, but got my shit together, and dont abuse AAS), but I never ever liked gambling. Actually, I fucking hate gambling. It gives me really bad anxiety, and even small bets fuck with me and I can't enjoy watching a game knowing I have money on the line (like even $20 on a football game). I swear I'm in the top 1% of most gambling averse people on the planet.
    There was one period when I got into coke heavily where I decided that I was going to be a sports gambler. I did really well over one baseball and hockey season but could never place big bets because it seemed dumb. Then I lost all the money I made. I also started buying lots of designer clothes and shit like that. I still like the clothes. I was a dirty hippie/"tree thug" (people in the late 90s-early 2000s rave/jamband scene know) before that and was maturing, but the coke made me delusional. I've gambled a few times in "recovery" and its been fine. I do tend to get overstimulated in casinos though, so going often would be a no-no.

    I posted about it on another thread but had an upper middle class girlfriend who graduated with a biz degree and minor in arabic. She finished college and got a great job.. a year later she was living in trap houses. She knew how to play the black dudes and had this extremely subtile sexiness. She would get her shit together and relapse often, like I did. She lived with me for about a year and started to relapse towards the end. She bottomed out with me and finally went to treatment for like the 9th time and got it. She is making fucking bank right now and living in downtown Chicago. I am pretty proud of her, even though she put me through a lot of pain. She was legit suicidal towards the end. Like me, she had been abused and sadly sexually assaulted a few times. Dope and coke fixes that pain at first.

    I was a depressed, anxious, obsessive insomniac as a child with ADD. I come from a very wealthy family but also was abused by a few different people in a few different ways. Plus my genes are fucked. The minute I took a drink and smoked I felt correct, when I took an opiate for the first time (I was really young) I remember feeling "this is it" and it was for a long time. I felt perfect and I of course sought that out. It perplexed me that other people would get sick and not like Vicodins and shit.

    It sucked but it made me a much stronger person. Sometimes I wish I could drink like a normal person but I cannot. That being said, lots and lots of Americans, Canadians, Euros, Aussies have drinking issues. They might not be alcoholic, but they are problem drinkers. Hell, most college students meet the definition.

    I am currently talking to two people that I know personally that have issues:

    One is a mid 20 year old ex of mine. She has a really dependent personality and it just seems like she is spiraling out. She knows that she is engaging in self medication by smoking weed all the time and its making her lazy. She does have a good chance of getting her shit together if she takes action. Plus she is pretty self aware and has worked with people with addictions and dated me.

    The other is someone my age that I used to use with but he never stopped drinking. He kept passing out in front of his kids yet so he cannot do anything with them. His wife is about to leave him. His parents aren't talking to him. His oldest son is being traumatized and suffering anxiety due to his drinking. He gets verbally abusive and his wife comes from an alcoholic family so she is trying to do the right thing but is co-dependent as fuck.

    He was in the ER for throwing up blood over the weekend but didn't want to go to treatment so they gave him ativan. He refuses to go to meetings or therapy. He needs to go to treatment immediately but doesn't want to and thinks its "not that bad". He will tell me he is "doing good" and I call him on that. I used to say the same though. Right now, it looks like he is going to die from the disease.

    Both of these people are really smart and actually really sensitive. One is a Social Worker but she quit her job and has just been smoking weed, the other was a Nurse until he got fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leftzing View Post
    He really wanted to have kids, apparently that is one of the major issues with his partner. She wanted kids. Dave said it was unlikely, but that adoption could be considered. However, he was not a candidate for adopting a child with his current issues. Guy agreed but then said it was really sad he cannot bring someone into the world. Then still kinda stated he might be able to have kids. It was some denial.

    Later, he said that if his partner left then he had nothing to live for as she is the only good thing that has happened to him (co-dependency).
    Sounds much more like he has some deep rooted issues rather than "addicted to steroids". This dude trying to shift the blame onto steroids when its obvious its something else in his head.

    I have yet to see or hear of anyone going through withdrawal by stopping steroids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leftzing View Post
    He really wanted to have kids, apparently that is one of the major issues with his partner. She wanted kids. Dave said it was unlikely, but that adoption could be considered. However, he was not a candidate for adopting a child with his current issues. Guy agreed but then said it was really sad he cannot bring someone into the world. Then still kinda stated he might be able to have kids. It was some denial.

    Later, he said that if his partner left then he had nothing to live for as she is the only good thing that has happened to him (co-dependency).
    that was the one side I really questioned before hopping on aas so I froze semen since both things were important to me but I mean otherwise I thought everyone could pct hcg hmg and chances were you would be able to have a kid.

    Shit didn't bostin say he was gonna have a kid without coming off even?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanity View Post
    Sounds much more like he has some deep rooted issues rather than "addicted to steroids". This dude trying to shift the blame onto steroids when its obvious its something else in his head.

    I have yet to see or hear of anyone going through withdrawal by stopping steroids.
    wouldn't low test be "withdrawl" in a sense?
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    Im seeing a girl ATM but looks like this gonna be an unhealthy relationship due to various reasons and on top of that I'm on tren so what to do

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    Quote Originally Posted by madbrah77 View Post
    Im seeing a girl ATM but looks like this gonna be an unhealthy relationship due to various reasons and on top of that I'm on tren so what to do

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    Just keep on smashin & once u come off tren and can think properly again you decide if you want to date or nah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulgarian View Post
    wouldn't low test be "withdrawl" in a sense?
    That wouldnt classify as withdrawl no
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    Quote Originally Posted by madbrah77 View Post
    Im seeing a girl ATM but looks like this gonna be an unhealthy relationship due to various reasons and on top of that I'm on tren so what to do

    @leftzing
    in b4 you marry her

    anyway stay safe dont make life changing decisions on tren
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lipolysis View Post
    I remember you telling us how you took clen and dnp before they went mainstream
    Don't remember. I will tell you the redicat stuff was just like square sheets of a certain hallucinogenic. Small enough sheets to fit in an envelope, so several sheets depending how many you ordered. Each of the perforated individual squares were about the size of keyboard keys give or take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Special Agent Blaha View Post
    Yeah I agree that addicts can often be very smart. The dumbest shit I've ever heard is "addicts are so stupid because they could have just said no to drugs", as if depression, anxiety, sexual abuse, etc play no role in drug addiction....

    Hell, my GF dropped out of college and was addicted to oxycodone and meth. Fast forward 5 years, she's clean with no relapses, and about to finish her Master's degree with a 3.8ish GPA.

    And regarding gambling, I consider myself to have an addictive personality (used a lot of drugs earlier in life, but got my shit together, and dont abuse AAS), but I never ever liked gambling. Actually, I fucking hate gambling. It gives me really bad anxiety, and even small bets fuck with me and I can't enjoy watching a game knowing I have money on the line (like even $20 on a football game). I swear I'm in the top 1% of most gambling averse people on the planet.

    Quote Originally Posted by leftzing View Post
    There was one period when I got into coke heavily where I decided that I was going to be a sports gambler. I did really well over one baseball and hockey season but could never place big bets because it seemed dumb. Then I lost all the money I made. I also started buying lots of designer clothes and shit like that. I still like the clothes. I was a dirty hippie/"tree thug" (people in the late 90s-early 2000s rave/jamband scene know) before that and was maturing, but the coke made me delusional. I've gambled a few times in "recovery" and its been fine. I do tend to get overstimulated in casinos though, so going often would be a no-no.

    I posted about it on another thread but had an upper middle class girlfriend who graduated with a biz degree and minor in arabic. She finished college and got a great job.. a year later she was living in trap houses. She knew how to play the black dudes and had this extremely subtile sexiness. She would get her shit together and relapse often, like I did. She lived with me for about a year and started to relapse towards the end. She bottomed out with me and finally went to treatment for like the 9th time and got it. She is making fucking bank right now and living in downtown Chicago. I am pretty proud of her, even though she put me through a lot of pain. She was legit suicidal towards the end. Like me, she had been abused and sadly sexually assaulted a few times. Dope and coke fixes that pain at first.

    I was a depressed, anxious, obsessive insomniac as a child with ADD. I come from a very wealthy family but also was abused by a few different people in a few different ways. Plus my genes are fucked. The minute I took a drink and smoked I felt correct, when I took an opiate for the first time (I was really young) I remember feeling "this is it" and it was for a long time. I felt perfect and I of course sought that out. It perplexed me that other people would get sick and not like Vicodins and shit.

    It sucked but it made me a much stronger person. Sometimes I wish I could drink like a normal person but I cannot. That being said, lots and lots of Americans, Canadians, Euros, Aussies have drinking issues. They might not be alcoholic, but they are problem drinkers. Hell, most college students meet the definition.

    I am currently talking to two people that I know personally that have issues:

    One is a mid 20 year old ex of mine. She has a really dependent personality and it just seems like she is spiraling out. She knows that she is engaging in self medication by smoking weed all the time and its making her lazy. She does have a good chance of getting her shit together if she takes action. Plus she is pretty self aware and has worked with people with addictions and dated me.

    The other is someone my age that I used to use with but he never stopped drinking. He kept passing out in front of his kids yet so he cannot do anything with them. His wife is about to leave him. His parents aren't talking to him. His oldest son is being traumatized and suffering anxiety due to his drinking. He gets verbally abusive and his wife comes from an alcoholic family so she is trying to do the right thing but is co-dependent as fuck.

    He was in the ER for throwing up blood over the weekend but didn't want to go to treatment so they gave him ativan. He refuses to go to meetings or therapy. He needs to go to treatment immediately but doesn't want to and thinks its "not that bad". He will tell me he is "doing good" and I call him on that. I used to say the same though. Right now, it looks like he is going to die from the disease.

    Both of these people are really smart and actually really sensitive. One is a Social Worker but she quit her job and has just been smoking weed, the other was a Nurse until he got fired.
    when you actually think about it drugs are only cheap the first few times you do them lol

    They get pretty expensive when you're snorting an 8ball+/weekend , so it's natural that the types of people who can sustain this type of life are actually pretty smart, since the not so smart ones just end up homeless and begging for change

    you have to have a lot of hustle to be a successful drug addict
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanity View Post
    Sounds much more like he has some deep rooted issues rather than "addicted to steroids". This dude trying to shift the blame onto steroids when its obvious its something else in his head.

    I have yet to see or hear of anyone going through withdrawal by stopping steroids.
    Withdrawal isn't need to meet the status of addiction. Furthermore, addiction goes far beyond the substance/s used. I would put using steroids more in the "addictive behaviors" category, rather then substances dependence. Also, the guy in the interview does talk about having withdrawal symptoms when he lowers his dose. Then you get into the Dopamine action of Nandrolones (and Dbol). Tren also supposedly messes around with Serotonin. Its why some people have found taking 5-htp or SSRIs on Tren helps.

    Yes, he has some extremely deep rooted issues. Most addicts (hell most people) do. When I think about using drugs, for me its just a severe manifestation of an inner problem I have. Its why things don't automatically get better when addicts stop using drugs. But yes, the guy likely has an compulsive personality along with depression and body image issues.
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