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    Calorie cycling is defs the best way to recomp on gear imo , much better then eating every day at maintenance cals. I do my high cals on rest days .
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    Quote Originally Posted by GanjaGuru View Post
    Calorie cycling is defs the best way to recomp on gear imo , much better then eating every day at maintenance cals. I do my high cals on rest days .
    What a the reasoning for high cals on rest days? I usually lower my carbs by half and up protein and fat intake because I read somewhere that post workout nutrients r absorbed better so on rest days ud have to increase protein and etc since not all of it will be absorbed

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    @GanjaGuru I train every day pretty much personally. I'm going to do 5,000 on the high calorie days to put me on an average of 3,500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLTBB View Post
    @GanjaGuru I train every day pretty much personally. I'm going to do 5,000 on the high calorie days to put me on an average of 3,500.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deltbrahs View Post
    What a the reasoning for high cals on rest days? I usually lower my carbs by half and up protein and fat intake because I read somewhere that post workout nutrients r absorbed better so on rest days ud have to increase protein and etc since not all of it will be absorbed
    I just like to backload my carbs , so when i train the morning after im full af . Doesnt really matter , just my preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLTBB View Post
    @GanjaGuru I train every day pretty much personally. I'm going to do 5,000 on the high calorie days to put me on an average of 3,500.

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    I recomped through calorie cycling , un intentionally. Would eat 2000 cals for four days and then binge on like 600g carbs on the fifth day lmao . What i found was that i was still leaning out but also able progress on my lifts weekly and gain a little muscle . Tecnically " spinning my wheels " but i wasnt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GanjaGuru View Post
    I recomped through calorie cycling , un intentionally. Would eat 2000 cals for four days and then binge on like 600g carbs on the fifth day lmao . What i found was that i was still leaning out but also able progress on my lifts weekly and gain a little muscle . Tecnically " spinning my wheels " but i wasnt.
    If you really want to get all benefits from cycling calories/carbs and still lean out, imo protocol UD 2.0 from Lyle McDonald would be perfect here. Maybe not the nocarbs days, but lower carbs and then 2-3 days refeeds. It was proven that 1 day refeed is much less benefical than 2-3 days of carb loads for body composition/fat loss/glycogen restore and leptin/contrisol levels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by z33 View Post
    If you really want to get all benefits from cycling calories/carbs and still lean out, imo protocol UD 2.0 from Lyle McDonald would be perfect here. Maybe not the nocarbs days, but lower carbs and then 2-3 days refeeds. It was proven that 1 day refeed is much less benefical than 2-3 days of carb loads for body composition/fat loss/glycogen restore and leptin/contrisol levels.
    I think when youre playing with gh insulin and doses of anavar over the 100s then clen on the off days with t3 to increase tdee etc etc even 1 day every other day should be more than enough to recomp lol. Idk though honestly not like we're ever going to do studies on the optimal recomp protocol for bbing while enhanced on this specific drugs. Lets see what the result is
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulgarian View Post
    I think when youre playing with gh insulin and doses of anavar over the 100s then clen on the off days with t3 to increase tdee etc etc even 1 day every other day should be more than enough to recomp lol. Idk though honestly not like we're ever going to do studies on the optimal recomp protocol for bbing while enhanced on this specific drugs. Lets see what the result is
    Oh i know that I wasnt talking about DLTBB approach. It was just a dygresion on what GanjaGuru wrote. That he was going 4 days 2000kcals and then refeed - not sure about his gear though
    But yeah, it would be cool if they did studies on fat loss protocol/refeeds with specific drugs I know some poeple that modified a little UD2.0 and used with more like 4-3 before show (not sure about what gear they used).

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    Can you report on how you have been doing with no AI and just the Nolvadex? I have read many accounts about Nolva making people feel like shit, but that could be on higher doses and differ per person, obviously. I also vaguely remember reading about some neurotoxicity (something like this http://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/n...-study-shows#1). Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChequeDrops View Post
    Can you report on how you have been doing with no AI and just the Nolvadex? I have read many accounts about Nolva making people feel like shit, but that could be on higher doses and differ per person, obviously. I also vaguely remember reading about some neurotoxicity (something like this http://www.webmd.com/breast-cancer/n...-study-shows#1). Any thoughts?
    Feel good so far, I think John Meadows takes Nolva year round and he comes across as fairly health conscious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLTBB View Post
    Feel good so far, I think John Meadows takes Nolva year round and he comes across as fairly health conscious.
    Interesting. I recently saw a Seth Feroce video where he explained that he shies away from Arimidex/Aromasin and uses Nolva to control E2 sides as well. I guess I'm just trying to understand what would be better long term for health and well being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLTBB View Post
    Feel good so far, I think John Meadows takes Nolva year round and he comes across as fairly health conscious.
    Yeah, here is his reasoning behind it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lJd....be&t=1h47m31s
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    @DLTBB noticed any mental effects/changes after dropping AI? (Feeling better/worse etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLTBB View Post
    It gives me a metabolic boost compared to when I'm not running it, I feel like I'm digesting food and burning/keeping off fat more efficiently. I know studies suggest a 'replacement dose' is around 40mcg but I'm just going from personal experience. I know John Meadows suggests running it as low as 25mcg every other day so I'm convinced this dose is making a small difference.
    I am about to try this myself. I have been reading about it the last few days and it makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe2500 View Post
    Cancun is awesome fun. Next time if you head that way try Puerto Vallarta, Cozumel or even Belize(further south) What resort you stay at? Wifey and I looking to hit up Mexico when we visit my family back in US next year
    Cozumel or Rivera Maya... Belize is great too but you have to be a bit more on your game there. Cozumel and Rivera Maya are safe because of the Federales. I think there are more Europeans then North Americans in Rivera Maya to be honest. Its a fun place.

    The All inclusives are great, but sometimes you can find something really nice in town. If you speak Spanish its easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheRuleMaster View Post
    @DLTBB noticed any mental effects/changes after dropping AI? (Feeling better/worse etc.)
    Feel better lately, libido is up and I'm sleeping well for the first time in a while. I've upped my calories recently too so it could be a combination of both helping me out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leftzing View Post
    I am about to try this myself. I have been reading about it the last few days and it makes sense.
    The only thing is, once you've been on T3 for a while you feel reluctant to come off because you're low-key scared of a rebound.
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    Im on 20mg nolva ed too trying to get rid of this gyno flare up. My nips are so sensitive and hurt a bit when touched or lay on them. The nolva has reduced the pain a bit but the lump hasnt gone away. Only been on it for 6 days tho.


 
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